and piper's book dan piper i think is his name, 90 minutes in heaven. >> yeah. >> sean: what do you think happens when you die? what do you think happens? >> well, the bible says real clearly to be absent from the body is to be present with the lord. in other words, i instantly go into the presence of god. >> sean: that's it? >> that's it. who delay. you go directly. >> sean: but you believe in hell? >> of course, i do. >> sean: so some people are not instantly. >> the bible says jesus said to the thief on one side of the cross he said lord remember me when you come into the the kingdom and jesus said today, this day you will be in paradise. not tomorrow. not in a year. today. >> sean: so if straight and narrow is the way and few are those who find it, does that mean few get to heaven? >> well, certainly it does. and. >> sean: so that the majority of us then go to hell? >> the issue is this. >> sean: not a great thing to be talking about at christmas time. by the way. >> two doors. this goes to life with eternity with god and this one says eternity without god. >> sean: right. >> if i wal